IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                 FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
 Criminal Action No. 96-CR-68
 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
     Plaintiff,
 vs.
 TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH,
     Defendant.
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                      REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT
                 (Trial to Jury - Volume 149)
                           (SEALED)
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         Proceedings before the HONORABLE RICHARD P. MATSCH,
Judge, United States District Court for the District of
Colorado, commencing at 5:00 p.m., on the 12th day of June,
1997, in Courtroom C-204, United States Courthouse, Denver,
Colorado.







 Proceeding Recorded by Mechanical Stenography, Transcription
  Produced via Computer by Paul Zuckerman, 1929 Stout Street,
    P.O. Box 3563, Denver, Colorado, 80294, (303) 629-9285
                          APPEARANCES
         PATRICK M. RYAN, United States Attorney for the
Western District of Oklahoma, 210 West Park Avenue, Suite 400,
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, 73102, appearing for the plaintiff.
         JOSEPH H. HARTZLER, SEAN CONNELLY, LARRY A. MACKEY,
BETH WILKINSON, SCOTT MENDELOFF, JAMIE ORENSTEIN, AITAN
GOELMAN, and VICKI BEHENNA, Special Attorneys to the U.S.
Attorney General, 1961 Stout Street, Suite 1200, Denver,
Colorado, 80294, appearing for the plaintiff.
         STEPHEN JONES, ROBERT NIGH, JR., and RICHARD BURR,
Attorneys at Law, Jones, Wyatt & Roberts, 999 18th Street,
Suite 2460, Denver, Colorado, 80202; JERALYN MERRITT, 303 East
17th Avenue, Suite 400, Denver, Colorado, 80203; MANDY WELCH,
Attorney at Law, 412 Main, Suite 1150, Houston, Texas, 77002;
CHERYL A. RAMSEY, Attorney at Law, Szlichta and Ramsey, 8 Main
Place, Post Office Box 1206, Stillwater, Oklahoma, 74076, and
CHRISTOPHER L. TRITICO, Attorney at Law, Essmyer, Tritico &
Clary, 4300 Scotland, Houston, Texas, 77007, appearing for
Defendant McVeigh.
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                          PROCEEDINGS
    (In open court at 5 p.m.)
         THE COURT:  Be seated, please.
         I'm going to bring the jury in, give them cautionary
instructions, and recess their deliberations.
    (Jury in at 5 p.m.)
         THE COURT:  Well, members of the jury, it does not
come as any surprise to you, I'm sure, that I asked you to be
back so that I can do my duty to remind you of your duty with
respect to service on the jury, remembering, as I told you when
you were deliberating before, that we will recess your
deliberations now and that you should put the matter at rest as
best you can and you, yourselves, rest.
         And during this time, during this recess, of course,
you will not be restricted other than that restriction which
comes with your duty to deliberate together and to recognize
that you serve on the jury and perform your service on the jury
only when you are gathered together and the 12 of you are
together and are discussing the issues before you.  And of
course, you know, but I must on the record again say, that you
must avoid discussion about this matter with everybody else.
Be very careful, continuing to be very careful that you do not
come into contact with anything in any form of communication or
publication that could in any way relate to the issues before
you, which, you understand, include not only this trial and
this sentence hearing; but if there were to be anything written
or discussed on television or radio about the death penalty
generally or about criminal sentencing, any of that, you must
stay away from all that, as I'm sure you all recognize.
         But once again, it's my obligation to state what is
even obvious to you, to make sure that we have a clear
understanding of that.

         I'd like to have you back at 8:30 in the morning to
resume your deliberations at that time and again wait until all
of you are present, the door is closed, and you are formally
deliberating.  And we will keep that room sealed off so that no
one will be in there or see any of your work, recognizing that
what you're doing is among the 12 of you and only among the 12
of you.
         So with that, we hope that you have a restful evening.
You're excused now till 8:30 tomorrow morning.
    (Jury out at 5:04 p.m.)
         THE COURT:  Well, as before, we will simply have the
jury collected and begin their deliberations without convening
here in court, just have you available on short notice; and
we'll see what tomorrow brings.
         Court again is in recess subject to call.
    (Recess at 5:04 p.m.)
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                    REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
    I certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from
the record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.  Dated
at Denver, Colorado, this 12th day of June, 1997.

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                                         Paul Zuckerman