IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                 FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
 Criminal Action No. 96-CR-68
 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
     Plaintiff,
 vs.
 TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH,
     Defendant.
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                      REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT
                 (Trial to Jury - Volume 127)
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         Proceedings before the HONORABLE RICHARD P. MATSCH,
Judge, United States District Court for the District of
Colorado, commencing at 4:58 p.m., on the 31st day of May,
1997, in Courtroom C-204, United States Courthouse, Denver,
Colorado.







 Proceeding Recorded by Mechanical Stenography, Transcription
  Produced via Computer by Paul Zuckerman, 1929 Stout Street,
    P.O. Box 3563, Denver, Colorado, 80294, (303) 629-9285
                          APPEARANCES
         JOSEPH H. HARTZLER, BETH WILKINSON, SCOTT MENDELOFF,
JAMIE ORENSTEIN, AITAN GOELMAN, and VICKI BEHENNA, Special
Attorneys to the U.S. Attorney General, 1961 Stout Street,
Suite 1200, Denver, Colorado, 80294, appearing for the
plaintiff.
         STEPHEN JONES and ROBERT NIGH, JR., Attorneys at Law,
Jones, Wyatt & Roberts, 999 18th Street, Suite 2460, Denver,
Colorado, 80202; JERALYN MERRITT, 303 East 17th Avenue, Suite
400, Denver, Colorado, 80203; CHERYL A. RAMSEY, Attorney at
Law, Szlichta and Ramsey, 8 Main Place, Post Office Box 1206,
Stillwater, Oklahoma, 74076, and CHRISTOPHER L. TRITICO,
Attorney at Law, Essmyer, Tritico & Clary, 4300 Scotland,
Houston, Texas, 77007, appearing for Defendant McVeigh.
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                          PROCEEDINGS
    (In open court at 4:58 p.m.)
         THE COURT:  Be seated, please.
         There have been no communications from the jury today,
and I'm ready to recess their deliberations.  We'll bring them
in.
    (Jury in at 4:59 p.m.)
         THE COURT:  Members of the jury, good afternoon.
         JURORS:  Good afternoon.
         THE COURT:  It is 5:00, and it's time to recess for
the day.  And of course, I returned you to the courtroom for
the purpose of formally recessing your deliberations and to
remind you of the rule, the procedural rule that is applicable
that your deliberations take place here in the courthouse in
the rooms assigned for your use and nowhere else.  And
therefore, as you now leave the courthouse to relax and rest,
you must remember that you are not functioning as a jury when
you're aware from here and that you work as a jury only when
you are here and are behind closed doors and doing your
deliberations with your foreperson presiding.
         I'm sure it's not necessary for me to tell you that.
You know that.  But this is just like all of the cautionary
instructions that I gave you at every time we recessed during
the course of the trial; that there is a formalism, there is a
procedure, that all of us must follow.  And the purpose then,
as I say, of returning you here is to make sure on this record
that the formal requirements are being followed.
         Now, it's my understanding that you're agreeable to
resume deliberations tomorrow morning at about the same time as
today.  Is that the case?
         JURORS:  Yes.
         THE COURT:  Very well.  Then with the caution,
therefore, that you should not now talk about the case among
yourselves or obviously with any other person or come into
contact with anything outside the evidence in the case that
could possibly influence you and affect your decision, which as
you well know, according to the instructions, must be made on
the law and the evidence.  We'll recess these deliberations and
excuse you until you return to the courthouse tomorrow morning.
And you won't be alone.  We'll be here.
         You're excused.
    (Jury out at 5:02 p.m.)
         MR. JONES:  Your Honor, may we approach the bench?
         THE COURT:  Yes.
    (At the bench:)
    (Bench Conference 127B1 is not herein transcribed by court
order.  It is transcribed as a separate sealed transcript.)













    (In open court:)
         THE COURT:  I just was discussing with counsel their
availability.  There are no big secrets up here.
         We'll be in recess subject to call.

    (Recess at 5:05 p.m.)
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                    REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
    I certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from
the record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.  Dated
at Denver, Colorado, this 31st day of May, 1997.

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                                         Paul Zuckerman